![]() ![]() Select id in Data fileds press Options and choose Count I recorded that once as a macro and then put on a button on a toolbar.ĭrag status onto Page fields, short_variant Row fields, year Column fields, id Data fields * with &, that is replace text with itself. The solution is to do search and replace on the column and replace. When you delete this ', value becomes an Excel time. NOTE: Column time contains text instead of time, each value is prepended with '. Now there is a data.txt, loadable by Excel or OpenOffice Calc.Īnd there is a new sheet with all the data nicely shaped. The point is not to be negative towards Fonstad (as I say above her work is generally good), but rather to press that even Tolkien's own trusted mapmaker, his son Christopher, did not attempt to map this area and again I'm just cautioning regarding secondary sources.With all the data safely stashed next step is to prepare it for a spreadsheet: 270-2, but since it is impossible to say how my father came to conceive it I discreetly omitted all indication of the Iron Mountains and Thangorodrim from the map drawn for he published Silmarillion.'įonstad's map here is seemingly based on an old Ambarcanta map and a description from The Siege Of Angband from Quenta Silmarillion (The History of Middle-Earth volume V): 'For the Iron Mountains, from the southernmost point of whose great curving wall the towers of Thangorodrim were thrust forward, defended it upon either side, and were impassible to the Gnomes, because of their snow and ice.'Ĭoncerning Tolkien's map however, Christopher Tolkien notes: 'the colossal triple peaks of Thangorodrim are surrounded by a closed circle of lesser heights, and there is no suggestion of the 'great curving wall' of the Iron Mountains from which 'the towers of Thangorodrim were thrust forward.' I am at a loss to explain this, but in all the years during which my father used this map he never made any mark on it suggesting that the picture should be changed.'įonstad also states that the Second Silmarillion Map: 'illustrates Thangorodrim almost as an 'Island' of foothills around the three tall peaks, jutting out one hundred miles from where the curve of the Iron Mountains must lie*' (she footnotes) '*8 V, 409 The mountains were still not shown.' Well, be that as it may according to volume V, in a later volume it can be seen that Tolkien added a small chain of mountains that connects, on the West side at least, to this 'island' in any case. The geography of the far North is discussed in V. seems to imply a great extension of the northern plain. In The Grey Annals however, the distance of 150 leagues (450 miles) from Angband's gate to Menegroth: '. On Tolkien's Second Silmarillion map the distance between Menegroth and Thangorodrim was 218.75 miles (just under 73 leagues). Fonstad rather depicts around 200 miles from Menegroth to the gates beneath Thangorodrim. ![]() Since the geography of the North was raised in the initial post in this thread, I'm going to point out that neither Fonstad's map, nor the web map just linked to, looks like the map by Tolkien with respect to Thangorodrim and the Iron Mountains.įonstad's map also does not seem to incorporate a line from The Grey Annals (written by JRRT) that was taken up into the published Silmarillion, that Angband's gate was 150 leagues (450 miles) from Menegroth. If such a map does not exist, can anyone do anything to help me with my doubts? That would make Angband quite east of Beleriand and much farther than I had pictured it.Įssentially, has there ever been a map that just includes EVERYTHING around the time of the first age? I want a map with Beleriand, Eriador, all the lands of Morgoth and any other important place named in The Silmarillion. I know that Dor Daedeloth (home of the orcs where Feanor was surrounded on his way to Morgoth) is supposedly just north of the highest part of the given map of Beleriand (Anfauglith), but when I look at the map of ME from the thrid age, I see the remnants of Ered Engrin in the Mountains of Angmar, north of the Misty Mountains. I do not even understand where Morgoth resides. I am currently reading the Silmarillion for the third time through and I still do not feel that I 100% understand exactly where everything is. I know there is a good map of Beleriand included in The Sil, but frankly, there is a lot missing from that map such as Eriador, Angband, Utumno, Dor Daedeloth, Ered Engrin, etc. ![]() ![]() Is there such thing as a First Age map of ALL of Middle Earth? I have spent much time trying to piece together exactly what the world looked like during the events of The Silmarillion, and it really makes me wonder why there isn't a comprehensive map of everything. ![]()
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